God

i couldn't get this straight on paper, only in my head, so i had a fellow philosopher help me out...


i had formed these words in my head, but never were they to reach paper successfully. after conversing and questioning my friend, Andy Wooten, it slowly got clearer and clearer in my mind. after a while of not being able to write anything that made sense Andy sent me what was in my head via the internet in typed format.

i did a very small bit of editing, but everything else is thanks to a great friend: Andy Wooten.






It's a pretty simplistic construct. whenever people try to make a logic argument about the existence of god, they define god as the maximally great being.
we can look at god, therefore, as containing all possibilities of existence, i.e. infinity. one commonly put out holds that physics tells us that the possibility for anything that can be conceptualized is equal with the possibility for any other specific thing that can be conceptualized and that both those possibilities therefore exist somewhere within the multiverse. therefore, if we can conceptualize a mgb (maximally great being), then one exists somewhere in the multiverse, and the very nature of an mgb tells us that it would have maximal power everywhere in the multiverse. the problem with this proof is whether or not we can conceptualize god. Returning to the definition, god is infinity, all possibilities, the alpha and omega, the unmoved mover, Yahweh, Allah, Brahma, whatever. Imagine this in a numerical sense - if we were to have one point that contained all numbers, from -infinity to +infinity, then that set is zero, for it contains the negation of the possibility as well as the possibility. in other words, if god contains all possibilities, is "maximally great," then it must contain the possibility of no god at all, thus it's own negation. it's clear how the system is self-contradictory and inherently negates its self - thus making god impossible to conceptualize unless you define it as limited in power - but if god is limited in power then why call it god? even using a very loose definition of what can and cannot be conceptualized that allows for paradoxes, all that a maximally great being would mean is that this being negates itself and brings the metaphorical count back to zero - the condition of there being no god, i.e. if god exists then in effect there is no god.
fin.


thank you Andy Wooten for putting this down for me, i would have never gotten everything straight



another note from Andy:

it's a flawed proof though - firstly, a finite mind cannot conceptualize or begin to understand the universe in totality, secondly, physics tells us that the natural laws only work in our universe, it is possible and probable that other universes within the multiverse have different laws or even no laws at all. to try and apply the construct of ... Read More logic to something as ever-expansive as the multiverse is just plain childish - our vaunted qualities of rationality and reason are simply slightly elevated animal instincts and will never be able to understand the multiverse or even our own planet with our limited capacities. just because a system is self-contradictory doesn't mean it cannot exist. i mean shit, logic is self-contradictory too. the only way logic works is if you make a base assumption - that logic equals truth. the real problem is that you're never going to "prove" or "disprove" god because it's a metaphysical being - it's beyond our existence, thus we're never going to know